Chris Cutrone discusses with Doug Lain his article “Social relations and ideology: an anti-critique” published in The Platypus Review issue 180 (October 2025), written in response to Benjamin Studebaker’s article “Beyond ideology critique” in Platypus Review 179 (September 2025). In the second half Parrot Room, Cutrone and Lain discuss Trump’s Gaza peace plan and the ICE raids and National Guard deployments to Chicago and Portland, Oregon.